Discussion about permission, credit, and making money off creations

BetoMC wrote:

the culprit of the mugen's decline is not who makes commissions. And yes, anyone who disrespects the will of closed source creators. MMV is one of the places that most created problems with creators.

Ax with loganir and verz. Someone named Carp who chased Logasan with mediocre edits on his characters.

Zvitor no longer makes characters for mugen. And the illusionist, it took 6 years to release the night wing, for that reason too. Perhaps it is a miracle that he shared. So let's stop this crying and take the blame. Don't play with others.

But I admit, it has improved a lot here. Don't go wrong again.

Whoever is a creator, does what is best for himself. Share, keep private, do patreon ... He cannot be forced to do the will of others.

but that creator Carpa5 put all names etc etc and some chars are good and playable.That Loganir and Logans going here only for ego and you know Zvitor still created chars mugen...or you dont se Robin Damien Wayne no is mugen char?? and he no problem if you used the char and put the credits.

Did they ask for any credit? No, they asked for the edits to stop.

BetoMC wrote:

Did they ask for any credit? No, they asked for the edits to stop.

well, you got it all wrong. they can actually ask to credit them, its a legit request. aithors work should be respected
to demand edits to stop, that is imposing someone's will on others where there is no right to do so

im pretty sure Zvitor retired because he went to OpenBor, not because he was upset by "edits"
stop throwing names and false info just to prove your point

BetoMC wrote:

But I admit, it has improved a lot here. Don't go wrong again.

and stop throwing demands as well. and decide whats "right" and whats "wrong". you just look silly

Some things don't have a concert. Even with all this damage, they continue to try to prove that they are right. They ask you to stop and you think that they have no right to do that. Then they feel disrespected and leave.

Just don't get this whimper, that capcom will come after someone who makes some profit from mugen. It is you and this ideology that have brought irreparable damage to the community.

What you think of me is irrelevant. After all, you were missing for about 10 years and resurfaced in a fake profile. What kind of inconsistent person are you?

That's all I have to say.

BetoMC wrote:

Some things don't have a concert. Even with all this damage, they continue to try to prove that they are right. They ask you to stop and you think that they have no right to do that. Then they feel disrespected and leave.

Just don't get this whimper, that capcom will come after someone who makes some profit from mugen. It is you and this ideology that have brought irreparable damage to the community.

What you think of me is irrelevant. After all, you were missing for about 10 years and resurfaced in a fake profile. What kind of inconsistent person are you?

That's all I have to say.

ok, glad you finally at least reasonable about it
i dont think capcom will swoop on us. my whole point is that they can, but choose not to. just to show hypocrisy of those authors who demand others to stop editing. you know, showing quite the opposite of the capcom exact behaviour that allowed them to do their work in the first place

those names you mentioned, i have respect for all of those guys. and back in the day i talked with most of them, with some alot. and they were really nice people, to me at least. but if they are bothered by something that they had to run off, thats their problem, not the community

you can pull this "irreparable damage" all you want, but truth is, most of the creators just moved on with their lives
if i was passionate about something i definitely wouldnt let some "edits" to ruin it for me. you have to be really petty for that to happen
but THAT toxic and possesive behaviour that meets all new creators is what killed the future of this community

we can go on and off about this, but the fact is edits existed since a way back, and they sure are not going away, even if you convinced me of your point and everyone else in this thread

One think i know for sure is: When join mugen community we all know its FREE its HOBBY... and we DONT owm those chars.
We join to share and have fun... if u are not this type of persom and u are selfies... why u join here and why u give us something with rules of dont touch. Nobody force u to be here or force u to give us something.U did know from begin when u join... how it is! So if u give something... u will because u want it... cause u like to share this hobby and u feel nice inside u.(this is for all of us)

I said in past why if we can make a char better to not do it... ?So all we can have it by share it.

With better english then me from other posr from BigPimp:
(i mean if your original version is still online, why would you care? if someone makes your character better, thats great).

I have edit/update many chars for personal use but never shre them because of DONT TOUCH MY CHAR. Some edit/update are very small... other are big... but all are to make a char better.
Hawkgirl...Winter Soldier...Spawn....Lion-O and maybe more 30-40 chars.

One example that i did before 3 days and is the smallest edit i have do..or better one small touch:
(I have Xslaught Sentinel... really great and i really tnx the creator.But char M.Kick and H.Kick are the same... so i did make a new M.Kick..and thats all.)
But my question its simple...do u prefer a char with same move in 2 buttons or different move each button?I vote the 2nd choice.
I hope make undestand what i wanna say.

I respect all opinions and just said one more of mine.

I give you my characters so you can enjoy using them have fun with my stuff that's the payment I want your joy having a character you didn't a day earlier

crosspotts1.0 u sounds as the really hobby maker.congratulations from me.

DC VS MARVEL wrote:

One think i know for sure is: When join mugen community we all know its FREE its HOBBY... and we DONT owm those chars.
We join to share and have fun... if u are not this type of persom and u are selfies... why u join here and why u give us something with rules of dont touch. Nobody force u to be here or force u to give us something.U did know from begin when u join... how it is! So if u give something... u will because u want it... cause u like to share this hobby and u feel nice inside u.(this is for all of us)

I said in past why if we can make a char better to not do it... ?So all we can have it by share it.

With better english then me from other posr from BigPimp:
(i mean if your original version is still online, why would you care? if someone makes your character better, thats great).

I have edit/update many chars for personal use but never shre them because of DONT TOUCH MY CHAR. Some edit/update are very small... other are big... but all are to make a char better.
Hawkgirl...Winter Soldier...Spawn....Lion-O and maybe more 30-40 chars.

One example that i did before 3 days and is the smallest edit i have do..or better one small touch:
(I have Xslaught Sentinel... really great and i really tnx the creator.But char M.Kick and H.Kick are the same... so i did make a new M.Kick..and thats all.)
But my question its simple...do u prefer a char with same move in 2 buttons or different move each button?I vote the 2nd choice.
I hope make undestand what i wanna say.

I respect all opinions and just said one more of mine.

You and your character again which you clearly​ haven't listened to other people saying such character is free to share like Spawn. Again there's no problem with not sharing, but you tend to announce your accomplishments that you will not share so what's to point?

Anyways with all these conversations I tend to be on the side of understanding why great creators stopped sharing and making private characters only. But I really wish they'd reconsider and give another shot of sharing them in public and would solely ask everyone not to edit their work this time. They're great guys but was just disappointed, again I hope they'd come back and try it again. I remember the days when mugen was friendly to everyone and I want that kind of community to come back and hoping this time people won't edit their great works.

candido159 wrote:

You and your character again which you clearly​ haven't listened to other people saying such character is free to share like Spawn. Again there's no problem with not sharing, but you tend to announce your accomplishments that you will not share so what's to point?

Anyways with all these conversations I tend to be on the side of understanding why great creators stopped sharing and making private characters only. But I really wish they'd reconsider and give another shot of sharing them in public and would solely ask everyone not to edit their work this time. They're great guys but was just disappointed, again I hope they'd come back and try it again. I remember the days when mugen was friendly to everyone and I want that kind of community to come back and hoping this time people won't edit their great works.

so candido, do you think it is wrong to edit others characters because its just wrong, or it became wrong when those creators left?

i, on the other hand, just cant understand it. i think people need to have more things going in the real life, so they wont be bothered with such small things as someone editing and uploading another version of free shared work

BigPimp wrote:

so candido, do you think it is wrong to edit others characters because its just wrong, or it became wrong when those creators left?

i, on the other hand, just cant understand it. i think people need to have more things going in the real life, so they wont be bothered with such small things as someone editing and uploading another version of free shared work

I still think it isn't wrong to edit (unless if the sprites were 100% from scratch), though to add respect for their efforts, it must be with permission and credits.

Though some people might take mugen as part of their real life for it take so much time to produce such quality. That's probably why they're bothered​ by it. That's why people should not think this way and just think this is all for fun (which it is) and them creating these makes them a hero for making our dream match happen.

But it's their life and they can so whatever they want and he have no control over their mindset.

Still, I want them back to give appreciation and for us to grow back again.

candido159 even if sprites are 100% from scratch... char still belong to DC/MARVEL/CAPCOM and more companies... doesnt belong to us.

So could be more wise all we enjoy mugen chars and try to make them better for all then we split in 2 sides.
Yes credits its like respect or tnx for the creator give us mugen version of the char... About permission (for exaple: Superman)ok i will ask DC.

And i be in this discussion because i see on title the word money...so if some try to win money from char that dont belong to us... soon companies eyes will be on us... and then no more mugen hobby for us.

DC VS MARVEL wrote:

candido159 even if sprites are 100% from scratch... char still belong to DC/MARVEL/CAPCOM and more companies... doesnt belong to us.

So could be more wise all we enjoy mugen chars and try to make them better for all then we split in 2 sides.
Yes credits its like respect or tnx for the creator give us mugen version of the char... About permission (for exaple: Superman)ok i will ask DC.

And i be in this discussion because i see on title the word money...so if some try to win money from char that dont belong to us... soon companies eyes will be on us... and then no more mugen hobby for us.

Yes it doesn't belong to them but if one would make them from scratch, it's like drawing a fan drawing, 100% your drawing but not your character. In that case at least the term "don't edit my sprites" can be said that it is totally his sprites and no edit was made or body based from capcom's characters.
Yet again creators can't do a thing if the characters they release are edited since it's public, that's why I mentioned that the ones who edit should atleast give respect by asking permission. I have done that as all of you know because O mentioned me not asking permission on Riddler which I deeply regret and am changing my ways.