Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV

volzzilla wrote:

087-B wrote:

I ain't trying to start drama.

well, you did. you're listing whatever that needs improving was great.

087-B wrote:

I'm just giving my criticisms towards this character and I feel like my criticisms aren't being acknowledged.

but the added exposition on top + trying to make sure "someone acknowledges your criticisms" how you want them acknowledged was what led to all this (well, that and the backup singer who only jumps in at certain times giving off troll vibes to an admin doesnt help).

and no offense, but no one has to "acknowledge your criticisms." and so you know, your exposition on top of your improvement list only increases the odds of your list getting ignored.

shining was more concerned with cormano continuing to work the hobby like he wants to, and i totally have his back in that regard. cormano's right to do whatever shouldnt be discouraged by subjective what-not added to a feedback list.

no TMC whats funny is how you quote me yet not recognize a word i said in the quote so i'll quote it properly.

i'm not trying to make anyone feel bad (which if he felt bad about what i said without recognizing how what he said earlier could have made cormano feel bad could be seen as ironic...but either way you dont need to white knight for him), i'm trying to get him to understand, give the list of feedback without all the extra exposition + need for his whatever to be acknowledged.

and while we are on the topic of people recognizing shit, lets hope you recognize your act of always being in the middle of drama needs to end as its tiresome.

I'm going to preemptively state that the following message is not dramatic. I am voicing my concerns over this whole... thing, and if you take this message as me being dramatic or toxic then I'll feel incredibly unheard.

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I don't really appreciate being blamed for "starting drama" when all I did was share my two cents on why I don't really like the character.

While it's true that nobody has to listen to my criticisms at the end of the day and I have no intention of forcing Cormano to listen to me, I see no reason to voice my concerns and problems with someone's work if I'm going to be treated like I'm wrong for doing so. I also see no reason to follow Cormano's work if my concerns over a character having factually limited animations and a legitimate infinite (which is a flaw) are deemed subjective and probably not worth listening to.

Sometimes people don't have nice things to say. I'm not here to attack Cormano or attack anyone for that matter, he released a character online and as such I gave my feedback. While he doesn't have to apply any of what I said, I feel like what I said was brushed off and whether or not my criticisms are agreed with, brushing it off isn't how you go about taking feedback from someone.

I can't find a reason to respect or participate in an environment that acts like that. I didn't cause anything, I saw a character was released, downloaded it, tested it, had some concerns, and voiced said concerns, and I feel as though you're treating what I said as a problem and what I said doesn't matter.

I voiced these concerns not to attack Cormano but to bring light to what I view as legitimate issues with the character in the hopes that he will take note of them and consider them in updates for this character or future works. Making sure a character doesn't have an easy infinite, or making sure a character is more solid in their gameplay, or seeing if he can clean up animations -- brushing it all off as subjective and not something that has to be listened to is kind of asinine.

Yeah he doesn't have to listen, but you won't grow as a creator if people don't provide feedback of the issues they have with your works. You'll just stagnate.

None of what I did was a problem. I'll drop it and ignore Cormano's future works because it's clear that my feedback and legitimate criticisms are not wanted here.

I wouldn't say any of this if I didn't feel there was now a problem here.

fact: the very first post in this topic that took a direction of drama was yours.

the drama wasnt about the feedback, the drama was about the added subjective stuff you needed to add. then you needed it acknowledged for some reason and TMC had to white knight that for some reason, all of which was also adding to the drama.

give the feedback, and cut the need for added exposition + need for acknowledgement in some certain way as all its going to do is distract from the actual feedback.

tmc's white knight act also added to the distraction, and in this case, drama.

volzzilla wrote:

fact: the very first post in this topic that took a direction of drama was yours.

the drama wasnt about the feedback, the drama was about the added subjective stuff you needed to add. then you needed it acknowledged for some reason and TMC had to white knight that for some reason, all of which was also adding to the drama.

give the feedback, and cut the need for added exposition + need for acknowledgement in some certain way as all its going to do is distract from the actual feedback.

tmc's white knight act also added to the distraction, and in this case, drama.

I left my feedback and the response I got was calling it just a fix. My feedback was totally disregarded.

I found issues with the character and my issues were just acknowledged with "it's a fix." I don't feel like a lot of what I said in my initial post was totally subjective. I don't think it's okay to just dismiss feedback as subjective and dramatic just because it comes across as negative or problematic.

I don't know how I'm expected to be alright with that.

But yeah, you're right -- I probably should've taken that as an indication that the feedback I left was not going to be acknowledged at all. Cormano does this as a hobby, therefore it doesn't really matter if the character has problems anyhow.

This is my final message on the matter. I did not cause a problem, I'm standing by that, I'm not going to argue about it, I don't really care if you disagree with me over it.

Good day.

volzzilla wrote:

fact: the very first post in this topic that took a direction of drama was yours.

the drama wasnt about the feedback, the drama was about the added subjective stuff you needed to add. then you needed it acknowledged for some reason and TMC had to white knight that for some reason, all of which was also adding to the drama.

give the feedback, and cut the need for added exposition + need for acknowledgement in some certain way as all its going to do is distract from the actual feedback.

tmc's white knight act also added to the distraction, and in this case, drama.

repeating because obviously needed

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edit so as the actual feedback is actually seen and not lost past all the distraction..

087-B wrote:

Feedback for things to improve:
- numerous animations can be better
- frame data and moves that combo together
- inconsistent damage on basics
- remove infinite with fireball
- some sprite detailing

Guys i really think this Is not a drama...we have different point of view Which we want to respect them

All of them respect your feedbacks and i m sure they are positive feedback

but i want to explain to all members to not have criticism against ALL creators because they spend their time to product something ...sometimes we have the character of the year(stage,screenpack) , sometimes we have good chars (stage ,screenpack), sometimes we have simple character(stage ,screenpack)...i want only to explain you in my opinion It s Better create an ugly character than to not create ...creating we can improve our skills and positive feedback are welcome

So please , make all feedbacks you want but try to keep great respect to all works and all creators

volzzilla wrote:

fact: the very first post in this topic that took a direction of drama was yours.

the drama wasnt about the feedback, the drama was about the added subjective stuff you needed to add. then you needed it acknowledged for some reason and TMC had to white knight that for some reason, all of which was also adding to the drama.

give the feedback, and cut the need for added exposition + need for acknowledgement in some certain way as all its going to do is distract from the actual feedback.

tmc's white knight act also added to the distraction, and in this case, drama.

you sure love using the word "white knighting" very loosely when all I was doing was making a point in saying that feedback is good to help a creator grow. And this isn't drama this is simply a disagreement seeing as you seemingly ignore real drama like the Chuchoryu situation and won't even bother dealing with that situation so your input here isn't needed as it's not that serious and isn't drama in the first place.

TMC55 wrote:

volzzilla wrote:

fact: the very first post in this topic that took a direction of drama was yours.

the drama wasnt about the feedback, the drama was about the added subjective stuff you needed to add. then you needed it acknowledged for some reason and TMC had to white knight that for some reason, all of which was also adding to the drama.

give the feedback, and cut the need for added exposition + need for acknowledgement in some certain way as all its going to do is distract from the actual feedback.

tmc's white knight act also added to the distraction, and in this case, drama.

you sure love using the word "white knighting" very loosely when all I was doing was making a point in saying that feedback is good to help a creator grow. And this isn't drama this is simply a disagreement seeing as you seemingly ignore real drama like the Chuchoryu situation and won't even bother dealing with that situation so your input here isn't needed as it's not that serious and isn't drama in the first place.

Never was anything said about "Feedback is not good". In fact, I took his feedback and re-translated it without the drama portions.

Part of that drama was 087-B's need to be "acknowledged", which was what you were white knighting.

Secondly, if you think nothing has been done about chuchoryu, you are ill-informed, but that is to be expected from someone who would rather promote drama above all else as this post here is further proof of.

087-B wrote:

Feedback for things to improve:
- numerous animations can be better
- frame data and moves that combo together
- inconsistent damage on basics
- remove infinite with fireball
- some sprite detailing

Had this been said from the get-go, numerous posts would not have happened in this topic.