Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV

Shining wrote:

087-B wrote:

Shining wrote:

Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character

He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result
She has not missing animations now
She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now

Being a good character and being a playable character are not the same thing.

Even if this Invisible Woman is technically more complete than the original, it's still not a good character. She needs a lot more polish in the graphic and gameplay department.

The First version of storm was not playable because She was incomplete

She needs more work but Now you can play with her because She Is complete

honestly if this is your best answer to criticism then it's no wonder creators here refuse to improve. Being complete, and being decently coded are 2 different things. Just because a character is complete does no mean it's good. 087-B gave valid criticism and your only excuse is that "the character was incomplete but now it's complete" this is why creators can't get good because no one is willing to let people give proper feedback to help the creator improve. You can't just step in and try and shield someone for no reason when they're only getting feedback. Stop speaking for creators and let them speak themselves. They have a voice and they can choose to either apply to feedback or ignore it, but stop trying to devalue someone's criticisms with "it's complete" that doesn't make it a good character.

TMC55 wrote:

Shining wrote:

087-B wrote:

Shining wrote:

Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character

He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result
She has not missing animations now
She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now

Being a good character and being a playable character are not the same thing.

Even if this Invisible Woman is technically more complete than the original, it's still not a good character. She needs a lot more polish in the graphic and gameplay department.

The First version of storm was not playable because She was incomplete

She needs more work but Now you can play with her because She Is complete

honestly if this is your best answer to criticism then it's no wonder creators here refuse to improve. Being complete, and being decently coded are 2 different things. Just because a character is complete does no mean it's good. 087-B gave valid criticism and your only excuse is that "the character was incomplete but now it's complete" this is why creators can't get good because no one is willing to let people give proper feedback to help the creator improve. You can't just step in and try and shield someone for no reason when they're only getting feedback. Stop speaking for creators and let them speak themselves. They have a voice and they can choose to either apply to feedback or ignore it, but stop trying to devalue someone's criticisms with "it's complete" that doesn't make it a good character.

Tmc i speak because this Is only my opinion..and i wrote
"She needs more work "

I m admin and my role Is to involve people to remain in mugen and to create something
...and you ? Why do you shot against mmv creators ?

And please try to partecipate to the forum Or your posts
seems only troll posts

If this what you call a "troll post" Shining...

I would love to see how you react to an actual troll. Because this rhetoric you keep having is incompetent.

Shining wrote:

TMC55 wrote:

Shining wrote:

087-B wrote:

Shining wrote:

Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character

He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result
She has not missing animations now
She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now

Being a good character and being a playable character are not the same thing.

Even if this Invisible Woman is technically more complete than the original, it's still not a good character. She needs a lot more polish in the graphic and gameplay department.

The First version of storm was not playable because She was incomplete

She needs more work but Now you can play with her because She Is complete

honestly if this is your best answer to criticism then it's no wonder creators here refuse to improve. Being complete, and being decently coded are 2 different things. Just because a character is complete does no mean it's good. 087-B gave valid criticism and your only excuse is that "the character was incomplete but now it's complete" this is why creators can't get good because no one is willing to let people give proper feedback to help the creator improve. You can't just step in and try and shield someone for no reason when they're only getting feedback. Stop speaking for creators and let them speak themselves. They have a voice and they can choose to either apply to feedback or ignore it, but stop trying to devalue someone's criticisms with "it's complete" that doesn't make it a good character.

Tmc i speak because this Is only my opinion..and i wrote
"She needs more work "

I m admin and my role Is to involve people to remain in mugen and to create something
...and you ? Why do you shot against mmv creators ?

And please try to partecipate to the forum Or your posts
seems only troll posts

you know this whole "why don't you participate in the forum" schtick is sounding a lot like another site I know of that forces people to participate on the forum. Seriously for once can you think with your brain and realize that feedback is actually good and can actually help creators grow. This isn't a troll post this is legitimate advice. Stop using your admin role to pressure people on not giving feedback because the character is "playable" it makes you look bad and as an admin yu should be more focused on actual problems that happens on the forum and not divert your attention to people actually giving proper feedback to help creators better their craft. It's annoying how you think I'm simply trolling when I'm just trying to give a sound argument on why feedback is actually good. If you're ok with people just kissing ass then fine allow that on your own posts but don't try to stop people from giving feedback when someone wants another creator to try and better their craft on making characters.

It is true that the char feels strange, and perhaps unbalanced, perhaps it is because cormano may lack experience in mugen (and it is something common in creators "damn... I lack experience"). And honestly I did not opt for this version of Invisible Woman... But I appreciate that Cormano wanted to bring another version of her. On the other hand Storm is more passable and I really edited Cormano's work to make it a bit better (sorry cormano friend I did it without your permission, I hope you understand that he is only private for me).
Cormano... Keep up your progress, one day you'll get better at your jobs, but pay attention to the advice they gave you about the characters.

its a fix just friends we are pirate mugen pirates pirates. Let the original creators release a definitive version complete and definitive.
Soon I'll post the other Sue storm, by another author in the forum event, it's just a fix too, fix is just a fix

fede de 10 wrote:

It is true that the char feels strange, and perhaps unbalanced, perhaps it is because cormano may lack experience in mugen (and it is something common in creators "damn... I lack experience"). And honestly I did not opt for this version of Invisible Woman... But I appreciate that Cormano wanted to bring another version of her. On the other hand Storm is more passable and I really edited Cormano's work to make it a bit better (sorry cormano friend I did it without your permission, I hope you understand that he is only private for me).
Cormano... Keep up your progress, one day you'll get better at your jobs, but pay attention to the advice they gave you about the characters.

friend, feel free to post the improvements, the more fix the better the character is. I don't want credits in the fixes, they are just pirated versions of already pirated versions of already pirated versions.
The more characters the better, and I add multiple versions, not limited to single author versions. any work on mugen whatever it is is always welcome!

cormano wrote:

its a fix just friends we are pirate mugen pirates pirates. Let the original creators release a definitive version complete and definitive.
Soon I'll post the other Sue storm, by another author in the forum event, it's just a fix too, fix is just a fix

But there's still lots of issues, there's no real "fix" here. Not to mention the original creator is retired or totally MIA so waiting on them to complete the character is pointless.

cormano wrote:

fede de 10 wrote:

It is true that the char feels strange, and perhaps unbalanced, perhaps it is because cormano may lack experience in mugen (and it is something common in creators "damn... I lack experience"). And honestly I did not opt for this version of Invisible Woman... But I appreciate that Cormano wanted to bring another version of her. On the other hand Storm is more passable and I really edited Cormano's work to make it a bit better (sorry cormano friend I did it without your permission, I hope you understand that he is only private for me).
Cormano... Keep up your progress, one day you'll get better at your jobs, but pay attention to the advice they gave you about the characters.

friend, feel free to post the improvements, the more fix the better the character is. I don't want credits in the fixes, they are just pirated versions of already pirated versions of already pirated versions.
The more characters the better, and I add multiple versions, not limited to single author versions. any work on mugen whatever it is is always welcome!

Maybe one day we could share a project, we could learn something from me and I from you (I think you really want to update characters)

karlayamei wrote:

If this what you call a "troll post" Shining...

I would love to see how you react to an actual troll. Because this rhetoric you keep having is incompetent.

Also write a post every four month to attack someone Is incompetent, it has no credibility
I noticed your partecipation to the forum only for these posts ...

i don't see why there is drama here. cormano worked on updating  what he wanted to work on which is what anyone in mugen does. apparently people forget good and complete are subjective terms and think they need to attack over their own personal meanings.

i say this because my main concern is making sure cormano isnt discouraged regarding future works.

I ain't trying to start drama, I'm just giving my criticisms towards this character and I feel like my criticisms aren't being acknowledged.

087-B wrote:

I ain't trying to start drama.

well, you did. you're listing whatever that needs improving was great.

087-B wrote:

I'm just giving my criticisms towards this character and I feel like my criticisms aren't being acknowledged.

but the added exposition on top + trying to make sure "someone acknowledges your criticisms" how you want them acknowledged was what led to all this (well, that and the backup singer who only jumps in at certain times giving off troll vibes to an admin doesnt help).

and no offense, but no one has to "acknowledge your criticisms." and so you know, your exposition on top of your improvement list only increases the odds of your list getting ignored.

shining was more concerned with cormano continuing to work the hobby like he wants to, and i totally have his back in that regard. cormano's right to do whatever shouldnt be discouraged by subjective what-not added to a feedback list.

volzzilla wrote:

087-B wrote:

I ain't trying to start drama.

well, you did. you're listing whatever that needs improving was great.

087-B wrote:

I'm just giving my criticisms towards this character and I feel like my criticisms aren't being acknowledged.

but the added exposition on top + trying to make sure "someone acknowledges your criticisms" how you want them acknowledged was what led to all this (well, that and the backup singer who only jumps in at certain times giving off troll vibes to an admin doesnt help).

and no offense, but no one has to "acknowledge your criticisms." and so you know, your exposition on top of your improvement list only increases the odds of your list getting ignored.

shining was more concerned with cormano continuing to work the hobby like he wants to, and i totally have his back in that regard. cormano's right to do whatever shouldnt be discouraged by subjective what-not added to a feedback list.

Thank you volz...you keep my thougt

volzzilla wrote:

087-B wrote:

I ain't trying to start drama.

well, you did. you're listing whatever that needs improving was great.

087-B wrote:

I'm just giving my criticisms towards this character and I feel like my criticisms aren't being acknowledged.

but the added exposition on top + trying to make sure "someone acknowledges your criticisms" how you want them acknowledged was what led to all this (well, that and the backup singer who only jumps in at certain times giving off troll vibes to an admin doesnt help).

and no offense, but no one has to "acknowledge your criticisms." and so you know, your exposition on top of your improvement list only increases the odds of your list getting ignored.

shining was more concerned with cormano continuing to work the hobby like he wants to, and i totally have his back in that regard. cormano's right to do whatever shouldnt be discouraged by subjective what-not added to a feedback list.

it's funny how you say 087-B started the drama when all of this started because Shining always feel the need to jump in and give his 2 cents when someone provides feedback. And you of all people trying to make him feel bad and tell him that he started the drama when this started with YOUR ADMIN. But honestly this isn't even drama to begin with it's just simple disagreements which is fine. People can disagree on things but that doesn't automatically make it drama unless it involves some personal feelings and insults. As an admin you should really know what drama is before spouting the word out as if every little disagreement is drama.