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Subject: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 6th 2023, 11:53 pm
Hello my friends, I made another fix for this excellent character by DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog it has few sprites and is incomplete by the original authors few sprites and few strokes plus an amazing job, I added some moves and organized some sounds and everything, it's a playable version, until the official one is released, hope you like it.
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Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 8th 2023, 6:00 am
she looks great, thank you very much!
brucewayne74
Posts : 1065 Join date : 2012-11-29
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 8th 2023, 8:10 am
Great update,thanks,I must try soon
087-B
Posts : 237 Join date : 2019-03-22 Age : 23 Location : Earth-616.5
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 9th 2023, 8:11 pm
I finally got a chance to try her. I don’t have the time at the moment to go super duper in depth but, I gotta be honest
She’s bad.
I’m sorry to be so blunt but… she’s just very unappealing. She’s so obviously unfinished, the spritework is not pretty at all and the animations that you tried to put together to remedy this are… hit or miss. Her crouch normals are way too fast and the animations practically don’t exist, and her air normals are super janky as well.
Gameplay wise she is not fun. Her combo game is really weird and her frame data is all over the place. Her damage doesn’t make any sense, some of her mediums do more damage than her heavies and her standing heavy kick does 96 damage for some reason when most other normals clock out at around 60. It feels inconsistent, like not a lot of quality assurance was done.
She has an infinite with her fireball too which is… yikes.
She needs a lot more work to be made into a good character. Graphic wise and code wise. While I commend wanting to take an unfinished or poorly made character and make them better, the end result here wasn’t a success, I’m sorry.
I think this is a hard pass. Arkady’s version is much better, simply because it’s more complete (even if that one also has gameplay that’s aged about as well as a bottle of milk).
cormano
Posts : 237 Join date : 2012-05-30 Age : 32 Location : Sampa
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 9th 2023, 10:31 pm
087-B wrote:
I finally got a chance to try her. I don’t have the time at the moment to go super duper in depth but, I gotta be honest
She’s bad.
I’m sorry to be so blunt but… she’s just very unappealing. She’s so obviously unfinished, the spritework is not pretty at all and the animations that you tried to put together to remedy this are… hit or miss. Her crouch normals are way too fast and the animations practically don’t exist, and her air normals are super janky as well.
Gameplay wise she is not fun. Her combo game is really weird and her frame data is all over the place. Her damage doesn’t make any sense, some of her mediums do more damage than her heavies and her standing heavy kick does 96 damage for some reason when most other normals clock out at around 60. It feels inconsistent, like not a lot of quality assurance was done.
She has an infinite with her fireball too which is… yikes.
She needs a lot more work to be made into a good character. Graphic wise and code wise. While I commend wanting to take an unfinished or poorly made character and make them better, the end result here wasn’t a success, I’m sorry.
I think this is a hard pass. Arkady’s version is much better, simply because it’s more complete (even if that one also has gameplay that’s aged about as well as a bottle of milk).
it's just a fix to correct the previous version that is more incomplete than this one, and practically without any gameplay, obviously arkady's one is complete, but I like different versions in my games, this version has good sprites, but a lot of sprites are missing and codes, more to break the branch ok, there's another version that I also added some more moves, I'll release it soon. It's the same, just a fix.
chancethegamer
Posts : 642 Join date : 2019-12-12
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 9th 2023, 10:38 pm
I think Buyog retired a long time ago. I don’t think of these early betas he released will get any more complete than the updates you’ve done unless someone else takes it on
087-B
Posts : 237 Join date : 2019-03-22 Age : 23 Location : Earth-616.5
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 10th 2023, 5:51 am
cormano wrote:
it's just a fix to correct the previous version that is more incomplete than this one
Well it doesn’t really feel like a fix. It feels very hobbled together.
Shining
Posts : 5035 Join date : 2013-03-26 Age : 44 Location : Italy
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 10th 2023, 6:52 am
Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character
He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result She has not missing animations now She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now
087-B
Posts : 237 Join date : 2019-03-22 Age : 23 Location : Earth-616.5
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 10th 2023, 9:27 am
Shining wrote:
Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character
He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result She has not missing animations now She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now
Being a good character and being a playable character are not the same thing.
Even if this Invisible Woman is technically more complete than the original, it's still not a good character. She needs a lot more polish in the graphic and gameplay department.
Shining
Posts : 5035 Join date : 2013-03-26 Age : 44 Location : Italy
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 10th 2023, 1:51 pm
087-B wrote:
Shining wrote:
Cormano means that his storm Is now a complete and playable character
He worked only with existing sprites and he assemblea them to have a complete character result She has not missing animations now She needs few animations improvements ...but She Is a playable character now
Being a good character and being a playable character are not the same thing.
Even if this Invisible Woman is technically more complete than the original, it's still not a good character. She needs a lot more polish in the graphic and gameplay department.
The First version of storm was not playable because She was incomplete
She needs more work but Now you can play with her because She Is complete
087-B
Posts : 237 Join date : 2019-03-22 Age : 23 Location : Earth-616.5
Subject: Re: Sue Storm By DocOck4MUGEN and Buyog FIX By cormano/MMV March 10th 2023, 3:37 pm
Shining wrote:
The First version of storm was not playable because She was incomplete
She needs more work but Now you can play with her because She Is complete
Okay, and?
That doesn't do anything to alleviate any of my criticisms. You really can't just keep saying she's complete, cause it doesn't make up for all the other problems she has.
Her being 'complete' doesn't remove the fact that she has an infinite. Her being 'complete' doesn't make her poor animations any better. Her being 'complete' doesn't fix her poor frame data and bad gameplay.
I'm just being honest here. This isn't a good character/fix/whatever. I hope the issues I've stated will be addressed. She isn't good as is and she needs more work. A lot more work. It doesn't feel like much effort was put into this version.
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