Hydro man Gart edit realasing !!!

@gartanham here is a video showing a fight against Killer Croc.
I'm not here to belittle your work, but to give you feedback on what needs to be improved - and that's a lot.
Because I believe we need to be honest with feedback and try to help each one - and its weird that most people simple post "wow cool char +1".



Some errors are very serious, as in the required sprites - they are named for a reason: they are mandatory. And they need to be at exactly the same angle as Elecbyte suggests:
http://www.elecbyte.com/mugendocs-11b1/spr.html#diagram

Some examples:
0:34 - Weird pose thanks to misaligned sprites (killer croc should be holding the e enemy by the head, standing still)


KC isn't even holding him here...


And the finish, where he should be slamming the enemy against the ground by his head (its a power bomb).
and not going bellow the ground.


0:45 - Hydro is missing REQUIRED SPRITES, this is why he vanish while grabbed. This is a serious issue: you can't even call it a character (or even a demo) without the required sprites.


ANIMATIONS:
The character hit box in AIR file needs to be redone, from the ground up.
An example its his idle pose


You are using 34 hitboxes and this is not needed at all. The amount of resources you are wasting here is huge.
plus, why aren't you using ClsnDefault? You don't need more boxes than this:

The puddle bellow him should NOT be hittable.

- Many animations needs more work, because they are stiff, like his kick, his intro, etc.

Codes
There are a lot of wrong hitdef, like:
-The in the saw blade move. You can see on the video that a standing still character can't block it.
- the bubble grab move drains both HP and POWER from the target? This is way too cheap. plus, Hydro can't do this.

Overall, I like the original sprites by the original author. But this project needs serious rework, from the ground up.
Again, you can't have a character in mugen without required sprites.

If you have any questions, drop me a line.
Thanks.

Really sorry o ilu... I and gartanham, we are not coders
We are learning in coding revitalizing characters
We need exercise to have great coding experience... And we are making experience
Now thanks for feedback
If you want to help us and to improve hydroman you are welcome

Shining wrote:

Really sorry o ilu... I and gartanham, we are not coders
We are learning in coding revitalizing characters
We need exercise to have great coding experience... And we are making experience
Now thanks for feedback
If you want to help us and to improve hydroman you are welcome

Not a problem. I just think you guys will have a lot of work to fix it.
My advice is: check the link I posted above, about the required sprites.
Mugen has a debug mode (CTRL+D) which will show you the missing sprites (5000,10 and 5000,20 from what I saw).

Then go fixing the clsn boxes on the AIR - do NOT use the auto clsn tool for a character, this is now what that tool was intended for.
(this is the reason we had removed the tool from FF)

gartanham wrote:

Pilgrim wrote:

Cool, only need little easy fixes to be perfect

Really see some bugs, I would like to know that someone more experienced in the area of code could review it,
because my coding knowledge is minimal, I added a special that descends like a water drill in the air,
it works but only in A.I mode, the command is there but manually the special doesn't work...

Little things like some wrong axis sprites, some colours wrong in a few sprites, the ground.back and the ground.front needs a high number, some animations need to be edited to be more fluid, nothing really important for the potential you give to Hydroman I'm working on him slowly, for now I change some axis in some sprites, recolour some others, change the ground.back and the ground.front to 37 and the air.back air.front to 33, and some other little things. You're done a really great job, plus is a hard char for the concept itself.

Pilgrim wrote:

gartanham wrote:

Pilgrim wrote:

Cool, only need little easy fixes to be perfect

Really see some bugs, I would like to know that someone more experienced in the area of code could review it,
because my coding knowledge is minimal, I added a special that descends like a water drill in the air,
it works but only in A.I mode, the command is there but manually the special doesn't work...

Little things like some wrong axis sprites, some colours wrong in a few sprites, the ground.back and the ground.front needs a high number, some animations need to be edited to be more fluid, nothing really important for the potential you give to Hydroman I'm working on him slowly, for now I change some axis in some sprites, recolour some others, change the ground.back and the ground.front to 37 and the air.back air.front to 33, and some other little things. You're done a really great job, plus is a hard char for the concept itself.

Thanks a lot Pilgrim

Aside from all the errors mentioned, Great Update! An atleast playable or watchable AI fight than the old early version which was long ago. Thanks

In my opinion, the character would look best without transparency, take a look:

(Plus Kraven tease)

I'm completely agree with Candido in facts i had to try to remove transparency


To make an update but i see you bro do it from yourself


Can you pls send me this version without transparency

Hydroman does look better without transparency
If you remember tas, he was solid colored all the time
If you really like the effect, you might also try very slight transparency, like Zvitor Iceman uses. It would also not be so noticeable when he goes into a custom hit state (where he loses transparency no matter what)

And insane to see kraven in the engine, looks great man

I put transparency in my hydroman first update version(where I added specials and hypers) to have better similarity with wucash version and to hide the lack of sprites

Now, the garth update, has got more sprites and, yes, transparency  is not necessary
In any case, I have achieved my intent to revitalize this character

With your improvements hydroman will become a member of villains into bigpimp game

And candido, great progress on kraven... Now he has got being hit sprites

Everything about that video is awesome.

More on Kraven soon

JARRO77 wrote:

Can you pls send me this version without transparency

I can upload later and pm you, but if Gart wants then he could add the no transparency version in his first post

With all the fixes and improvement on this char now finally we have a really good version of hydroman for mugen



In my opinion Garth and Shining did an awesome work here




Really congratulation to all the people involved on this project

candido159 wrote:

More on Kraven soon

JARRO77 wrote:

Can you pls send me this version without transparency

I can upload later and pm you, but if Gart wants then he could add the no transparency version in his first post

Ok bro i'm waiting you

Fantastic work, I’m glad he’s in your hands.