Character permission

i dont like smartasses that take other people characters and mess around with them, and make them into their own work, just because they added codes or portraits.
I make those characters for good people out there. Just put it into your game and play.
Sure it can be used for projects, but you have to leave character as the way it is. you can add a portrait, small portrait whatever to fit into your project. but remember that i am the creator.
i dont want any other names beside mine.
Also you can't earn money with something that is mine.

Well said Blade, and you are completely right.

is a shame but that is the way of the new mugen era.you cant fight with ignorant people and if you put something in internet you cant protect it. and some people claim is free because the original owners of that works are big companies like marvel or dc. in all this time i was thinking about it and tried to understand these people. for that reason i choose to become private. the truth is that in this days the people are losing interest in mugen, no more quality chars around just spriteswapps and maybe if the spriteswapp are good we cant have real stuff like some years ago. i know somepeople tried to keep the spirit of mugen alive doing their spriteswapps or new works but in this days are hard.

i am still working in this hobby, making chars. you can do whatever you want but if you release something is very hard to people respect your time editing the sprites. and if someone respect, some new places like that shit place of Mugen Archive (hole of the worst mugen crap) give a shit about respect are kiling this hobby. anyway just my opinion like i say before everyone is free to think  whatever they wants.

zox has every right to be angry.

im honestly very disappointed, when he first did this with devilotte i was very angry. im even more upset at superfernandoxt for commissioning him in the first place as he knew it was of other people's work in general.

i knew about kenshiro wanting to do this beforehand, i tried to warn him not to because it was using other people's content but here we are.

im sorry about your situation. i wish i could have done something sooner zox.

I support all the original creators like Logansam and Blade without them their would be no characters to edit. I hope others would start to respect their wishes or mugen will continue to die a slow death of cheap lazy edits.

its disgusting to remove credits for profit

Surely it´s not right, i believe he´s immature and like a mugen starter, he did thought that just adding some details or portraits he could insert his name normally like it was fair.

but don't worry Blade, all mugen community knows the creator of every char.

it was only boring thing, but anyone believed he help you to create anything.

Blade wrote:

i dont like smartasses that take other people characters and mess around with them, and make them into their own work, just because they added codes or portraits.
I make those characters for good people out there. Just put it into your game and play.
Sure it can be used for projects, but you have to leave character as the way it is. you can add a portrait, small portrait whatever to fit into your project. but remember that i am the creator.
i dont want any other names beside mine.
Also you can't earn money with something that is mine.

Subjectively understandable, at one condition: did you made the graphics from scratch?
Let's say that the 80% of the identity of a char is its graphics. Coding is essential, of course, without the code a char couldn't do anything, but it's the graphics the main attractive point. So, if you made those chars on your own, from scratch, if you animated them and you put in them all your talent both in graphics and coding... well, you're right. If not, sorry but I agree 50-50 on that. Just my point of view.  If you think about it, no matter if Capcom/SNK/other brands don't care about fan games, there could be a lot of "smartaasses" as you say, which take their character and mess around with them.

Taking for obvious that every creator cares about being credited for his hard work, the main question is: at which percentage one should be considered as the "author" of something?
To answer, let's make an example: one makes a porting of Ryu from Street Fighter 2 (Arcade). He takes the sprites from the game, but he codes it from scratch. That's 50% authorship, imho.
Another example: one makes a char looking like Ryu, but with original (from scratch) graphics and code. That's 80% authorship, imho.
3rd example: one makes a totally different char, with original graphics and code. 100% authorship. This dude is the one who deserves to defend his authorship, the others can only be right in their own percentage.

I know this sounds edgy, blunt, spicy, brutal, rude, etc.. but it is what it is. One should consider where the stuff comes from, if it comes from your creativity you can morally defend it... if not, it's the same thing another person could say.

About making money out of it, warehousing, etc... I remember when I first joined MFG yeeears ago, I had a site with a project of mine and I was uploading other people's chars in there, just to give the site some social utility. But I was wrong, In fact I was bashed from some users for "warehousing". Guess what? Nowadays warehousing is socially accepted between communities. So, it's not easy to say if it's good or not what we do or what other people do, as times change so do rules. Some day you could say a certain attitude/behaviour is wrong, some other day you can find yourself doing the same thing and your point of view changes.

The flux of reality is ductile.

Here I can add some facts to this.

Yes Blade does wire-frame, and sprites from scratch.
See here: https://mugenmultiverse.forumotion.com/t10825-blade-works

There are 2 separate problems being discussed here.
Both problems have recently happened to Blade and other creators.

Superfernandoxt
1. Someone edits  the VS portrait, or adds a Hyper portrait to a released character
Releases the character again as "MvC Sytle" and adds their name to the credits

kenshiro
2. Someone takes your character's sprites, adds their own code template, removes all previous credits other then their own, then sells it online privately...


The whole story of the selling of the characters.
Gatorison commissioned kenshiro to re-code some characters for money
Kenshiro completed this paid commission for the work and completed the characters
Kenshiro is selling these characters he already made his commission on privately

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Lets just look at the actual legality of this and take anyone's credits or permission away for a moment.

Kenshiro being commissioned to re-code a character  
- This would be legal
- Kenshiro is being paid for a service
- This does not break copy-write as it is not about the "content" but the code

Kenshiro charging others for a previously commissioned work
- This would be illegal and copy-write infringement
- This does break the copy-write as it is about the content as Kenshiro is now selling a copy-written character
- You are not selling service anymore, as it is a completed copy-written character being sold

In that case, now that it has been explain, yeah I support your point, Blade.
One thing is asking for permission, another thing is to do it all without even asking ...  well, you can make them think and ask them to split the money they earned with your works? Or, in case they refuse, send them a PM like " YOU SHOULDN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT YOU B*ST******RD!!   " lol , just kidding. no aggressive behaviour should be promoted. 
Unfortunely there's no law protection about anything we do in MUGEN, the only thing you can do is suggesting people to care more about this, promoting a better understanding and respect... and in this case it's a matter of time, personal education and awareness. Those people which do such things, aren't probably aware of the danger they do... and if they don't care they've been probably taught that way. So it's difficult to make them change their mind.
Of course, if Elecbyte care, they would have protected MUGEN contents from "commercial purposes" (but, probably, even with such law protection, there would be still snakes crawling in the shadows, iykwim).

Let them crawl, some day they will understand how pathetic they're being, and probably they feel ashamed (or is it just pride taking the place of shame in their head).
As for now, they justify themselves with the "fair use" thing (and similar crippled ideology like "preserving MUGEN", "It's just a game!" and so on...), but who knows how much money they actually make out of their well-organized thievery. Or, and this is even worse if true, they do really believe they're helping MUGEN creators (in this case they're totally schizoids, mentally disturbed people who believe in lies).
... surely those folks have a lesson to learn and somebody/something gotta give it to them. No wonders there's crazy people who said nasty intentions about them... well, that's just excessive, if you know what I'm talking about, but if they're not even scared by that, probably karma will do the job.

Just don't support them, and make people aware that gaining from MUGEN is stupid and pathetic. Make people aware that paying for MUGEN is like being victim of a fraud. MUGEN stuff can't be evaluated. Why? Because, someday Elecbyte can return and keep things straight with those who earned from them. I understand donations, but direct commissions... uploading without permission, acting like deaf and all that behaviour that made me hate Mugen Archive... it just puts on the same level of other forums/communities where freedom of expression is totally denied. So no, they deserve no protection or support, imho.
Really. People should get a real job and stop wasting their time on some other people's efforts. Acting like parasites probably makes those sick people feel good, but they'll be always sick inside as long as they don't recognize the errors they make. Someday they will just stop acting so superficially and feel the weight of reality. Those who only want to grow bigger have never actually grown up.